Hanging around a national broadcaster for 30 years, sounds more like RTE.
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Yep, I get that. Apols if I came across snarky. I just get annoyed by all the low hanging historical fruit that keeps getting trotted out & passed off as real history. Like whether or not MC was banging Hazel Lavery. Seriously, who gives a flying fcuk? Yet incredibly important things like The National Loan are left to anoraks to look up for themselves. 
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National Loan aside… Lady Lavery and Kitty Kiernan were two very fine looking women. I’m full sure that Michael could have ploughed all before him if that was his inclination. We’ll hardly know now anyhow. Romantic Ireland is dead and gone…
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Mister Lavery, probably.
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I knew a guy who was with the Irish forces there during that war. He went completely insane
Story slightly air brushed from Irish history sadly, remember as a young lad everyone using the word Balubas to describe people very drunk or acting the fool but having no understanding of what went on out there. Very sad how many of those lads were treated by government of the day.
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I remember as a child hearing about the Balubas and the Congo and Irish Soldiers but of course I had no idea what was going on but it pains me that I had no clue about what happened at Jadotville until I saw the movie about 6 years ago. After which I read up about it and it made me sad that the Irish Government did SFA to succour those brave men.
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It’s a weird one she was 18 at the time, Was she really meant to stand up against the concentration camp commanders
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I don’t like that. 1st December yet there are still 48 sleeps until Santa.
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Sympathy for Nazis or fascists should always be in short supply. She does nt need to go to jail at her age but the guilty verdict is important.
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I 100% agree that she needs to be held accountable and that a prison term would serve no purpose to anyone concerned. But I also agree that the questions of what options she had, at that time, at that location and at her age, should be taken into consideration.
I, for one, would not liked to have been in her shoes in such circumstances.
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She survived and lived her life. Difficult situation agree if she wanted to resist but maybe she agreed with the Nazis or was a Nazi. I think the guilty verdict is important , there is no way she was nt aware or culpable even at an administrative level.
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Guilty verdict is 100% important.
I’m ignorant… Did she plead guilty (or otherwise) before the case?
Refused to answer or cooperate from what I gather so I assume she pleaded not guilty.
I certainly didn’t give sympathy to Nazis or fascists. I’m not certain I agree that a guilty verdict against an 18 yo secretary in a massive organisation like the Nazis is important. I’d tend to argue it’s counter productive & sends out a wrong signal to young girls who may find themselves in a similar position in the future.
I’m guessing there are currently a shite load of 18 yo girls who do admin work for the Russian Government / Army running amok in Ukraine, like that Nazi secretary are they guilty for what the Russian Government/Army did ? Or are they potential Allies in future prosecutions?
I think prosecuting 18 yo girls for crimes of their masters 70 yrs ago is wrong especially when the scientists who invented the most destructive weapons ever invented were given a royal escort out of Germany, Those weapons were then dropped on 2 cities and no one is prosecuted.
I remain to be convinced of the benefit of a trial like that
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A civil servant in a public office is one thing but she was working in a camp. The holocaust deserves to be investigated t for as long as perpetrators/ survivors live and only then it should pass into history.Greatest State sponsored genocide of the 20th century.War crimes prosecutions should be pursued irrespective of winners/ losers Russians/ Ukrainians/ Americans etc. Where do you draw the line otherwise, 30 years , 40 years? You shouldn’t not prosecute some because others got away due to engineering skills or whatever.
I was nt suggesting you had sympathy for Nazis either , apologies if that was misconstrued , was addressing the general issue rather than your opinion on the trial.
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